61 responses so far ↓

• 1 Dens // Mar 21, 2008 at 9:02 am

  What about images of monks throwing molotov cocktails?

• 2 John Titor // Mar 21, 2008 at 9:13 am

  I am a time traveler from the future. The ‘08 olympics in China will be canceled for more than one reason.

• 3 porq // Mar 21, 2008 at 9:19 am

  @Dens

  Do you have an image of that? Does anyone?

• 4 Hah // Mar 21, 2008 at 9:20 am

  Drens: You’d be throwing molotovs too if a repressive country had held your people/culture captive and treated you like second class citizens (keep in mind China once made an announcement that Buddhist reincarnation was only possible with government approval)

• 5 PENIX // Mar 21, 2008 at 9:22 am

  Your Kung Fu is really lousy!

• 6 Asokan // Mar 21, 2008 at 9:30 am

  The artist’s expression is extra ordinary. Touche.

• 7 Gaia // Mar 21, 2008 at 9:48 am

  Points: 10.0, 10.0, 10.0 (Artwork, Expression, Attitude).

  Congratulations Sir, you got the gold.

• 8 dinakar // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:05 am

  dens,

  You would have thrown a lot more than molotov cocktails, if you are made to live in there.

• 9 CG // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:11 am

  These monks won’t be getting their slaves back anytime soon!

  To Hah: You’d be protesting too if you owned hundreds of slaves and serfs and one day they all got taken away from you and you *gasp* had to work for a living. It shows how ignorant the general public is regarding Tibet and how blindly they follow the media.

• 10 earthman // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:14 am

  Horribly beautiful.

• 11 schallstrom // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:23 am

  @Hah
  You mean like more or less every government in the world is oppressing people/cultures who are not accepting the ideologies the respective state is built upon, including France, Japan, Germany, Russia, China, UK and USA?

• 12 Me // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:25 am

  So the Chinese government is suddenly oppressing Tibet because the monks had “slaves”? How benevolent of them.
  And I suppose they crushed a few thousand college students under some tanks because they were skipping their classes.
  Three words invalidate Den and CG’s arguments:
  Tien-An-Men.
  The saddest part? Den and CG probably don’t know anything about it. Thank Chinese censorship.

• 13 To CG // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:27 am

  so basically what you are saying is that Tibetans are in the wrong for being freed from Chinese slavery and therefore deserve whats happening to them because they are too lazy to do their own work? so how do you feel about black people in america?

• 14 John Titor // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:29 am

  I need to stop taking drugs.

• 15 Mr. Sparkle // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:43 am

  I think this is a rip-off of an earlier “How China got its logo” cartoon.

• 16 sfsf // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:52 am

  wow dens, standing up for communist china?? nutjob.

• 17 omi // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:52 am

  CG Thanks, at least one person actually realizes the truth about Tibet. Wanted to add one thing that I’m really angry at the monks about.

  This Dalai Lama guy said to the serfs that he needs 120 tons of gold and jewels to build a new throne for Dalai Lama. Then in 1959 when Chinese were cracking down on slave ownership in an establishing communist state, he escaped to India with 60 tons of gold/jewels.

  The reason he needed to build a new throne? To get rid of bad omen!

  Free Tibet? China did that long time ago!
  Disclaimer: I’m not Chinese

• 18 Miklos // Mar 21, 2008 at 10:57 am

  @porq: I think the monks have been peaceful but Tibetans in general have been quite violent towards ethnic Chinese: http://www.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/285×214/38157_1.jpg
  -> not china but related to the current violence: http://www.china.org.cn/international/opinion/2008-02/28/content_11021569.htm

  It is not easy to find images, though, because Western media are not allowed into the areas where there is violence. They are not allowed in because their bias against China in reporting would probably make a bad situation worse and because China has traditionally been too authoritarian to allow journalists free reign in tense areas (this is a real bias, btw. To read a bit about it go here: http://www.china.org.cn/international/opinion/2008-02/28/content_11021569.htm )

• 19 Lawson // Mar 21, 2008 at 11:00 am

  CG, your sympathy for the Chinese government is astonishing. You indulge in the obvious propaganda technique of blaming the victim, and turning the scenario upside down. Tibetan people universally love the Buddhist monks, especially the Dalai Lama.
  The Chinese have been violently supressing Tibetan culture since the Maoist invasion of Tibet it 1950.
  When I visited there in the 1980’s, I constantly had ordinary people asking me for photos of the Dalai Lama. Anyone who had such photos was arrested or harassed by the Chinese, including foreign tourists. The idea that monks are bad, and that the “nice” Chinese are helping the people is just a self-serving, propaganda myth.

• 20 Peter McEwen // Mar 21, 2008 at 11:01 am

  Whether or not a society has a feudal social hierarchy does not excuse genocide and religious oppression. CG are you indicating that the extermination of a culture is somehow more civilized than the Tibetan government that was intact previous to the invasion? I think your scholarship might be a bit askew.

• 21 Chun Li // Mar 21, 2008 at 11:04 am

  What did the monks do to deserve this? What is their crime? Can someone enlighten me on this situation. I can understand self-defense from the Chinese “authorities” if that is the case. Self-defense from a lethal threat that is.

• 22 fg // Mar 21, 2008 at 11:05 am

  2 years too late John

• 23 Hah // Mar 21, 2008 at 11:18 am

  @ schallstrom:

  Was there ANY part in my post that said other oppressed people did not deserve the same right? Oppression is oppression and should always be fought against. I don’t recall saying that Tibetans had a monopoly on it.
  Your post was obviously less of a response to me and more a display of your desire to draw parallels between China and so-called “civilized” western countries.

• 24 Harry // Mar 21, 2008 at 11:35 am

  I have been in Tibet myself during riots like this years ago.

  The Tibetans used sticks and stones against the Chinese army.

  After a few days all foreigners were rounded up although they were not in danger as they stayed inside. I think the Chinese did not want us to witness the events and tell the world. But what we did see was more than enough.
  Tibet is gradually being destroyed. It has been looted, raped and occupied for a very long time now.

  I certainly would not mind using a molotov against an occupying army by the way, let alone stones and sticks.

  The invasion had nothing to do with liberation from feudal systems (except as an excuse) but much more with uranium and other riches.

  Such crimes are not typical Chinese by the way, but unfortunately portray a general ‘human’ trade.

  Sad, very sad.

• 25 Harry // Mar 21, 2008 at 11:43 am

  Almost forgot:

  Lawson:
  “When I visited there in the 1980’s, I constantly had ordinary people asking me for photos of the Dalai Lama. Anyone who had such photos was arrested or harassed by the Chinese, including foreign tourists.”

  This is true, it happened to us also. If the Tibetans were oppressed and enslaved by the Dalai Lama I would doubt it that they would ask for pictures. And it certainly were more than just a few Tibetans.
  You indeed had to be very careful with those pictures like Lawson said.

• 26 Ghandi Jesus // Mar 21, 2008 at 12:07 pm

  What the monks did to deserve this is they are genocidal maniacs; religious bigots still leftover from centuries ago. Now, they are completely out of touch with reality and brainwashed into some cult-iverse where ***they cannot be reasoned with*** That’s the crux of the matter. China really letting the world down by pussing out and not just nuking the whole region in the first place.

• 27 xiao ming // Mar 21, 2008 at 12:49 pm

  I’m a Han from Tibet. The Tibetans are not going crazy as a whole but a few of them are. They started burning down our shops at night. We were all thinking that the gov will control the situation but I think because of intrrnatinal bad publicity they were only able to do so much. In fact we the Han here all hope that they can enforce law and order with more conviction and not worry so much about what people like you guys think. After all its just a small group of terrorists. I don’t even dare go home now.

• 28 michael // Mar 21, 2008 at 1:12 pm

  save the cheerleader, save the world

• 29 Darrell S. // Mar 21, 2008 at 1:30 pm

  Disgusting! Yeah, that’s the way to open dialogue to solve the problem! How about learning some diplomacy?

• 30 D Legal // Mar 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm

  you’ve probably got your site blocked from china for posting that image.

• 31 Dave Greiman // Mar 21, 2008 at 2:13 pm

  And yet China has favorable trade status… Look the other way, America, for the sake of cheaper goods.

• 32 Steve // Mar 21, 2008 at 3:20 pm

  I don’t believe in violence unless used as a form of self-defense and as a last resort, but it is important to note that the history of Tibet as a kind, peaceful, progressive place is a myth. No doubt the Chinese have committed atrocities but they also ended many atrocities in that country, including slavery.

  Read this article and note that it has about 70 references to confirm the claims:

  http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7355

• 33 FreeTibetNow // Mar 21, 2008 at 3:43 pm

  Chinese web propagandists(dens, CG, omi) are at it again, trying hard to spread their nonsensical justification for the Chinese brutal suppresion of Tibet and its people.

  Above picture is great, as the old Chinese saying goes, it is worth more than thousand words.

  I say boycott if not the whole olympics, at least the opening ceremony to embarrass the Chinese into realizing all is not well with their inexcusable policy.

• 34 Kal // Mar 21, 2008 at 4:10 pm

  China’s just emulating the US-playbook.

  They are liberating the Tibetans from an oppressive regime and those monks are enemy combatants.

• 35 patrick // Mar 21, 2008 at 4:40 pm

  Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster

• 36 arell // Mar 21, 2008 at 5:18 pm

  I’ve lived in China for almost a year now, and the interesting part about ALL of these comments (save the one from the time traveler) is that all these observations are correct. So now what?

• 37 HDR // Mar 21, 2008 at 5:36 pm

  Wonderful logo, wow

• 38 Mizaru // Mar 21, 2008 at 7:24 pm

  Arell: we are observers; we cannot act on any opinion we impart whilst we confer on the web.
  The Chinese have a pitted history with it’s ways, but it cannot give up Tibet - think of the political uprising that would follow, who next? Taiwan? Mongolia? there are at least a dozen or so states that yearn independence, but would they truly deserve it? would they manage on their own?
  What right does a foreigner have to suggest a country should give up its own land for an obstinate minority?

• 39 rhy // Mar 21, 2008 at 7:55 pm

  We should all be throwing Molotov cocktails. In this AND other countries. We should be throwing them directly at the corporations who have purchased our governments and are silently controlling our lives, our health, and through the media, even our minds. Wake the fuck up slaves! They are putting mood altering drugs in the water and that is even reported on the big 5 news (Viacom, AOL/TimeWarner, Bertelsmann, Disney, News Corp.).

• 40 dahlai // Mar 21, 2008 at 9:11 pm

  are there any accurate news with monks being killed were reported?

• 41 cf // Mar 21, 2008 at 11:41 pm

  Our timeline is different from that of john’s timeline which explains the variances

• 42 John Doe // Mar 22, 2008 at 2:33 am

  Can I get this on a T-shirt? Please?

• 43 Phil // Mar 22, 2008 at 2:42 am

  What about the images of the monks who had shoulder mounted electrically powered gatling guns, spraying down crowds of innocent puppies, huh? Yah.. You don’t see that in any thought provoking art pieces, do you?

• 44 Giant Lenin // Mar 22, 2008 at 4:11 am

  For all of you who seem to be debating whose side to be on, just read “A beginners guide to changing the world: For Tibet, with love”.
  It’s a good book, will clear up all your misconceptions.
  also, @phil, where is this said picture?

• 45 anonymous // Mar 22, 2008 at 4:23 am

  This was never about slavery… It’s about one thing, Greed. Just look at the obvious, on one hand you have monks plainly dressed in rags carrying prayer beads, on the other you’ve armored vehicle, vests, armored everything, with automatic weapons, backed by rich suit wearing politicians and their propaganda machine.

• 46 rhy // Mar 22, 2008 at 4:29 am

  LOL. Phil. You rule. That is all.

• 47 Lawrence Tureaud // Mar 22, 2008 at 7:36 am

  All this bullshit about Free Tibet is just bullshit. China is really a great place and a country that believes in everyone’s right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and Buddhist monks are just a bunch of stuck-up assholes. I also heard that the Dalai Lama shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

• 48 Jestin Joy // Mar 22, 2008 at 10:25 am

  Its really bad you are connecting tibetan issue with olympics. Tibetans are considering olympics as tool for pressurising china.

  For the Us tibet is good stick int hand to beat Mandarin. Taht is why Us No3 nancy pelocy was at dharmasala to convey her support for tibetan cause

• 49 Ernie Oporto // Mar 22, 2008 at 10:44 am

  Boycotting the opening ceremony is an empty gesture. Boycott the whole damn thing or stop talking.

  It does not matter what the history of Tibet was in the past. Those people are not alive today. The Chinese government of today is killing these people in the here and now because they have been fighting back against ethnic Chinese being settled into their areas. This is the very thing that everyone cries against Israel for doing in Palestinian lands and is being ignored here. Make up your minds.

• 50 Annoyed Englishman // Mar 23, 2008 at 6:43 pm

  I note you have chosen to include the UK in your obviously ill-informed observation: “You mean like more or less every government in the world is oppressing people/cultures who are not accepting the ideologies the respective state is built upon, including France, Japan, Germany, Russia, China, UK and USA?”

  Have you ever actually BEEN to the UK, you cocksack? It is well known that we have one of the most tolerant and permissive and multi-cultural regimes in the world. Try walking around London, for example, on any given day and watch how many different races and cultures and religions you encounter. Would not have been true once, no denying that, but times have changed in a very big way here.

  In fact, tell you what, try actually knowing of what you speak before you start opening your fatuous mouth and save us all some time. Arsehole.

• 51 To Annoyed Englishman // Mar 24, 2008 at 1:18 am

  which part of the most tolerant and permissive and multi-cultural regimes in the world were you refering to? perhaps that very tolerant regime that was demonstrated in India or the part where, thru colonisation, you had in your possesion 1/3 of Earth’s land?
  oh and by the way under very same excuse as that one china is using: to bring civilisation to barbaric people

• 52 Eureka // Mar 25, 2008 at 6:51 am

  @ ME

  Why has no one yet questioned your comparison of slavery to irresponsible college students?

  Since when is sleeping through algebra on the same level of unethical as OWNING another HUMAN BEING?

• 53 Damon // Mar 31, 2008 at 9:59 pm

  Where is the justice?
  As Beijing Olympic is drawing near,lots of troubles & rumours are attacking China.
  The Western world do not understand Tibetan riots.
  Western media are just too good at making up stuff against Chinese government.
  Chinese army are trying their best to save&protect innocent people,that’s true.
  I have friends who lives in the riot areas,all I said is TRUE.

• 54 amy // Apr 5, 2008 at 2:01 pm

  Something seems odd about monks, especially those who follow the extremely calm and peaceful Dalai Lama, picking up weapons when it’s quite obvious they’re outgunned.
  Well, maybe it’s because the violent monks are not monks at all, just soldiers with costumes.
  <>

• 55 amy // Apr 5, 2008 at 2:03 pm

  hey, no link got posted with my last post. No matter, if you want to see about this, just search for “chinese military posing as monks”

• 56 Dan // Apr 6, 2008 at 3:09 am

  to annoyed englishman:
  let’s not forget your 800-year strong oppression of irish catholics

• 57 dawr // Apr 11, 2008 at 9:15 am

  Hey guys! I live in Tibet, seriously for real! I love China there awesome I cant get enough liek wow! Watch the olmpics

• 58 billy bob(not really) // Apr 18, 2008 at 5:08 pm

  dawr you are an idiot you most likely are some big business employee advertising China because your lead-painted products are made there. Really China needs something like the Environmental Protection Agency, and quality control officers.

• 59 Vit Zayder FR // Apr 23, 2008 at 6:43 am

  What is totally incredible is that both sides are fighting each others on this website by only using one technique : “You can’t criticize me because it is worse in your own country”
  Bravo, les gars !!! That will make the debate moving forwrd for sure !
  What is the point ? I am French. I look to the history of my country, what do you think I see ? A colonial empire almost as powerful as British empire with all the non human consequences that implies ! French revolution : a so-called symbol but in fact a several years slaughter of aristocrats by peasants then peasants by aristocrats then peasants vs bourgeoisy and then Napoleon ! Big guy : a pretentious crazy little guy that drain the blood of Europe during about ten years…And I won’t speak about invasion and massacres in Africa, torture during the War of Algeria in the 1950’s and recent involvements in Ivory Coast…Don’t misunderstood, I am proud, so proud of being French but facts are facts…You have to accept critics when it is true.
  But what everyone of you is telling is because of all this things, I just have the right to shut the fuck up ??? Because my country is also “bad” and once defend slavery ? And continue to influence African politics for its own sake ?
  Desole. China must be criticized not because I think my country is better but because its actions are unbearable and unacceptable. And yes there is definitely a connection between Olympics Games and Tibet. Because Olympics Games are not just sports, that is not the World Championships, it brings values that donnot fit at all with what is happening in Tibet.

• 60 Tushar Tarun // Apr 24, 2008 at 3:11 pm

  to add to vit,
  the whole notion of human rights and fair trial is not given any consideration in the nation, where olympics which is also a symbol of peace and everyone is fighting?
  I am an Indian, our religious scripture supports untouchability (discrimination as bad as u cant come near me based on birth) which is still practised in many parts of India, doesnt matter, i will say this is wrong and what is happening is also wrong. instead of trying to bloat our ego why cant we simply think of those who are being killed and denied the most basic and fundamental rights on which any civilization is built?

• 61 Vit Zayder FR // Apr 25, 2008 at 4:26 am

  And then, I agree that we must criticize every enforcement of the human rigts not only in China but also in the USA : torture, death penalty and secret prisons !
  There is no link with Olympics….

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