Seems Like An Odd Holiday To Have Such Strong Feelings About
September 23, 2008
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Not really, if you’re native. Lots of Indians feel very similarly.
Not everyone agrees with the invasion of America by the english colonists.
not odd to the millions of native Americans that got slaughtered/enslaved.
It’s really not. A national holiday celebrating this man is a disgrace. L2History.
From Wikipedia:
In A People’s History of the United States, American historian Howard Zinn discusses the cruelty Columbus inflicted upon Native Americans, which Zinn says was comparable to the genocidal acts of World War II. Zinn maintains Columbus was a religious fanatic with an obsession of eliminating non-Christians, by means of murder, conversion, or at the very least, enslavement
Actually, if you read your history the hate makes sense. It’s unusual, but not nonsensical.
Fuck Columbus Day and the Ship you floated in on!
Okay people, get your shit straight. Just because Columbus discovered America and was a devout Christian doesn’t mean he bloody enslaved and slaughtered native Indians. Try to convert, yes, but not slaughter. Don’t pin actions of the Conquistadors and the English on Columbus, okay. And to wikipedia: go fuck yourself. Half of your articles are utter bullshit.
Brandon.
It’s pretty well documented. Columbus was a slaver and was after gold. Most the what people are talking about happened on cuba and other islands in the caribbean; but populated with native “americans” nonetheless.
http://www.newhumanist.com/md2.html
Get your facts straight “Brandon”, Xtian or not Columbus was a conquering wanker.
From the diary of Mechele de Cuneo, traveling with Columbus: “When our caravels… where to leave for Spain, we gathered…one thousand six hundred male and female persons of those Indians, and these we embarked in our caravels on February 17, 1495…For those who remained, we let it be known (to the Spaniards who manned the island’s fort) in the vicinity that anyone who wanted to take some of them could do so, to the amount desired, which was done.”
Cuneo further notes that he himself took a beautiful teenage Carib girl as his personal slave, a gift from Columbus himself, but that when he attempted to have sex with her, she “resisted with all her strength.” So, in his own words, he “thrashed her mercilessly and raped her.”
Also the direct words of Columbus himself:
“In the name of the Holy Trinity, we can send from here all the slaves and brazil wood which could be sold.”
-Christopher Columbus, 1496, in a letter to King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella’
Bet his god was proud.
hahaha brandon a little upset there?
do you not even read your own history? conversion by murder, or whatever means necessary. look at the history of spanish colonialism throughout north, central and south america. murder, book burning, enslavement.
youa re a twat brandon and it is ignorant people like you that make american public opinion the joke that it is.
Uh, Brandon, the Spanish treatment of the Taino under Columbus during his second voyage is generally considered genocidal and his refusal to convert natives during his third voyage since, under Catholic law, they could not be enslaved doesn’t exactly polish his CV up real well, either.
In my family we call it “Never Trust Whitey Day.”
Yeah, we’re First People, how’d you guess?
Fuck Columbus Day.
October 10th
Leif Erikson Day
Fuck Columbus, OH!
Ummm….
I am at something of a misunderstanding…
Columbus was Spanish. OK, the British were no better in their treatment of the indigenous people, but can’t you at least ‘Fuck the Spanish’ as well? - otherwise you’re just being racist.
Fuck the Columbus ISS module! Ha ha… anyone have any others to add?
Might as well make light of the comments… it’s getting far to serious for Photobasement.com!
Columbus wasn’t English. He was a mexican from Europe. And the Indians were a bunch of war hoops. But we got all their land
AMERICA — FUCK YEAH!
Columbus Day, George Washington’s Birthday….
The U.S. likes to celebrate great slave owners. Bow to tradition!
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I love reading these uninformed idiotic responses. Columbus was from Spain, for those of you who cannot grasp this it’s a country in Europe, which makes him SPANISH! Not to mention the fact that lands were conquered and people killed throughout history. Stop knocking your own country and go out and do something positive instead of perpetuating hate.
uranidiot, columbus was spanish, you freaking retard
Knocking your country is probably the most constructive thing you can do, actually.
(I’m being serious)
Actually Columbus was Italian - he just worked for the Spanish and made it possible for them and the English and the French and the Dutch, etc. to come over here and start wiping out whole civilizations…
Just remember, any nation or individual who thinks they are always right, is almost certainly wrong.
I love the somewhat ignorant (”Columbus was SPANISH!”) correcting the completely ignorant, “Columbus was English.”
It took 23 comments for sbd to come along and point out correctly that Columbus was essential Italian, from Genoa.
I’m just mad at sbd for beating me to the punch and correcting everyone. I’ve always been called a pedantic bastard…
First of all I would like to say that I have a very colored (no pun intended) ancestry, I am part Spanish, part black, and part Native American, amongst others. I identify my self as white, just because of my skin color, and the skin of my immediate family.
I think it is unspeakable what European countries have done over the centuries, enslaving people, plundering and genocide, to name a few. On the other hand, it is good that we had explorers, just wish they had been a bit more humane. Although I think what Cortez did was worse than Columbus, Columbus was still a bastard.
Also, Bush and the other war mongers of this world are no better than Columbus. The only difference is the places they go have been discovered. We force our will on the people of the world “to better their lives”, if those people had wanted a change in their culture do you not think they would have done something about it or asked for help? It is no wonder to me that people, especially from the middle east hate us. We would hate them if they tried to take us over, and our houses, because some leader they did not agree with *might* be in there. America needs to take care of America before they “help” anyone else.
I do not feel ashamed by my ancestry, there is nothing I can do about it, except to be less of an asshole than those that came before me, and teach my children to be humane and to learn from past mistakes.
Damn, I sounded crazy
Columbus didn’t discover shit. there were people living Here already and the vikings had landed on the American continent long before Columbus did. No one celebrates those facts because history is written by the victors. Therefore Columbus day isn’t about discovery it’s about the conquering of the new world.
Whatever Columbus did or didnt do has nothing to do with America as it is today. The US does more for the world than any other country and it basically chaps Europe’s ass. Say what you want, rant, rave, but its true. Who ya gonna call when N. Korea acts a fool again? Or China? Or Iran? Yea thought so.
We’d love to stay in our own business, but the trouble is when we do, the rest of the world bitches about us not helping….so we help then get bitched at anyway. No-win situation. Your welcome world.
And you all need to get off the Bush hate bandwagon. its old, lame, and full of half truths and misnomers. Time will tell the validity of his actions and convictions—that is if we stave off the Liberal/Marxist regimes trying to overthrow our country.
fuck off, the english pwn u all
I agree, all you people whose ancestors came from Europe should leave the USA. Start packing your bags you rat bastards.
Actually, there is now quite a lot of evidence to show that Columbus was NOT Italian (nor was he EVER assumed to actually BE Spanish!). His name was most likely Cristofol Colom, and Colom was and is a name of Catalan origin. His coat of arms is Catalan. (Catalans actually want to claim him away from the Italians). Multi-national coalition of scientists have been and are doing DNA tests to see if they can trace the Y chromosome of the Columbo’s or the Colom’s to the country of his birth.
He couldn’t get backing from Portugal, hence why he petitioned Spain.The Spanish king Ferninand II and queen Isabella first turned him down. They kept him on salary to keep him from taking the idea elsewhere and in time sponsored his 4 voyages. Without royal permission and money at that time, you didn’t go anywhere.
It might interest some of you to know that there is growing historical theory that says Colom beat meat out of Spain to avoid the Inquisition which was gearing up at the same time. There is some evidence to support the theory Colom may have been of Jewish decent. The historian Salvador de Madariaga believed that Columbus was from a Catalan family who fled to Genoa to escape persecution for being Jewish. March 31, 1492, the Edit of Expulsion was signed. The deadline for Jews to leave Spain was August 3, 1492. We know that just before midnight, August 3, 1492, Colom and his crew set sail. (For the geographically ignorant, Catalan is in Northern Spain and Genoa is in Italy).
Regardless, Colom made it to the Bahamas, Cuba & Hispaniola on his 1st voyage (Voyg 2-4 have him on Guadaloupe, Puerto Rico, Jamaica, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica ) but never to actual country of America. So NO he did NOT “discover” America! We know that the Viking Leif Erikkson was here around the year 1000!
The big thing that Colom DID DO was to establish 2-way trade between Europe and the new world. He did NOT prove the earth was round - that had been known since ancient times and many of the scientists of his day believed it. He was one of many racing to find a faster route to Asia to trade.
Unfortunately for the Indigenous peoples it meant death on a massive scale! Historians now estimate some 90+% of Indigenous peoples died as a direct result of that “2-way trade.” The new world gave Europe corn, squash, and Syphillus and Colom’s men gave the native people Small Pox and other European diseases they had no immunity to as well as the domestic animals like the horse and pig.
More importantly, in his righteous way of thinking, he DID fFORCE his religion upon the natives as well as killing and enslaving them for any number of reasons! Colom took 1600 Arawak as slaves. 560 slaves were shipped to Spain; 200 died en route, probably of disease. After legal proceedings, the survivors were released and ordered to be shipped home. Others of the 1600 were kept as slaves for the settlers in the Americas. SLAVE LABOR was the BIGGEST commodity exchanged between Europe & the new world.
BTW: you don’t have to be a historian to spend 10 mins gaining historical evidence and information on the web - and NOT from Wikipedia.
So yeah, SCREW COLUMBUS DAY! It’s based on BS and LIES! I like that idea of a Leif Erikkson day or how about Amerigo Vespucci day - afterall North (and South) America were named in honor of HIM — NOT “colombus!”